Sunday, November 16, 2008

prop 8

Now that Mormon ward houses are being vandalized and prop 8 has passed in California (with similar measures passing in Fla and Az), Arthur feels like it might be worthwhile to clarify that he thinks the Mormon's got this one wrong and that gay people that want to be married by the state should be able to do just that.

At his brother's suggestion, Arthur read the official Church explaination of why it supported prop 8 and asked its members to "do all they can" to support the measure. None of the reasons seemed very compelling to him.

First, the Church claims that they have the right to participate in the democratic process and takes great lengths to espouse the virtues of democracy. Fine...but this approach seems entirely misdirected considering that Mormons believe in the theocratic rule of Christ himself and that he will return to earth to reign and govern all humanity. We will not be voting for him. The democratic process is a temporal solution for bad rulers and though arguable the best system of governance that we can come up with, it is hardly a reason for the Church to step away from its standard position on voting and democracy. If the Church had said, "Democracy is good...go vote"and left it at that, we Mormons might not be percieved as instigators of divisiveness and prejudice.

The appeal to the right to participate in the democratic process "when it comes to moral issues" also begs the question: Why does the Church not direct its members to vote for candidates that will end the war in Iraq? Or that will fight to alleviate poverty? Or that will preserve ANWR and other unprotected wilderness? Each a threat to family stability and each a moral issue. Though others do and will disagree, Arthur thinks we Mormons got this one wrong (it would not be the first time) and is pretty sad to see the negative fallout on both sides.

The Church also claims that allowing gay people to be included in the definition of marriage threatens the separation of Church and State, a long held principle of our consititution. They cite examples of pro-gay groups instigating lawsuites against church run universities and other religious institutions for violating Equal Protection rights of religious gay people who want to participate in the religious life. First, those lawsuits are only applicable to religious institutions that recieve federal funding, and if they really want the freedom to worship "how, who, or what they may" as provided for under the Bill of Rights (and Mormon Articles of Faith), all they have to do is lose the federal funding. As freedom of religion is so fundamental to the fabric of our country and its founding, I find it hard to believe that our right to continue to worship the way we do will be jeopardized or threatened in any significant way because of how THE STATE decides to define marriage. Contrary to the Church's argument, allowing gay people to be included in the definition of marriage is the ultimate separation of church and state. Mormons believe marriage in the temple is for eternity and is the only form of marriage that continues beyond mortality and thus that has any eternal value and purpose. Why should we worry about a temporal union sanctioned by a government of men? Especially if/when we believe that we are all children of God and as far as earthly governments go, are entitled to equal protection of earthly laws. The obsession with gay marriage seems to distract us from our goal of heaven and a celestial life and bogs us down in what Arthur percieves as decidedly political issue. We love our gay friends, don't feel they are a threat to our marriage, and hope for more love and understanding. Besides, as Captain Steve Zissou notes: "We are all part gay"

8 comments:

Meg said...

Great post, Jas! But, are these your feelings too, or just Arthur's :)? Hugh and I always bring these types of situations (difficult ones in my opinion) back to the Savior and His example...What would he do?

Saskia said...

Thank you for this post! I no longer have the awkward feeling that I'm the only one uncomfortable with the Church's decision to go all out on Prop 8. I find this most recent call to action as disturbing as the one issued in opposition to the Equal Rights Amendment in the 70s. Betty Friedan herself thought that the ERA would have passed if the Mormons hadn't come out against it. Anyways, I wish we'd drop our obsession with all things sexual to focus on more pressing issues. Leave that sort of religiously inspired activism to James Dobson and friends (who, by the way, has commended the Mormons for their involvement. Ugh.)

Unknown said...

Interesting post. I just wanted to say that the church does recognize marriages outside of the temple, even though they are just for time. Ryan and I were married outside of the temple before we were sealed, and that marriage was recognized by the church.

Jasmine said...

Meg, this was a post by Arthur :)
As for me, I don't have a "position". My position generally is, and always has been, love and tolerance...and dislike of politics :)It makes me really sad to see such divisiveness even if it is a sign of the times. World peace, please!

Meg said...

I just wasn't sure because Arthur was talking in the third person, so I wasn't sure :)...I totally agree with your "position" and my heart aches for all the chaos this is causing...Hope you are doing well

Jasmine said...

melissa,
good point. there will continue to be marriages outside the temple between male and female and we as a church can continue to recognize hetersexual marriages and not recognize gay marriages, regardless of how the state defines it. -avw

Saskia said...

If I may make a few small comments to this Post, and my Wifes (This is Jeremy!).

This issue is obviously complex and there is no simple solution. We have Homosexuals on both sides of our Family. This can make for some interesting Dinner conversation. Unfortunately, there is no relationship left with my sister.

I think that those of us that grew up in Utah are more rooted in the belief that Church and State are seperate. At least I don´t remember any time the Church has directly called on its Members to Act politically. I continuely have one single thought, which is the "crux" of the whole issue. This was a letter from the Bretheren that we sustain as Prophets. The question is for me more, why do you think they wrote this letter?

In the end we all have to act true to ourselves. "But that which I call right or goodness is the choice of my constitution; and that which I call heaven, and inwardly aspire after..." (Emerson)

Erin said...

Being here first hand, I see the toll this marked discrimination has taken on both those who did and did not support this proposition. People are angry with one another on a level that I have never seen and truly the hearts of men have waxed cold, Mormons and non-Mormons alike. It disheartens me. However, I would like to offer one glimmer of hope in our democratic process. Even though the Prop passed, SF citizens came out in full force last Saturday to excercise their civil right to assemble. I know I was probably one of the few to think this but it was inspiring to note that we live in a country that affords us that liberty. So few have it.

That is really just an aside though. This is not the end of this fight. It will go back to the courts, and the courts will strike it down which in turn will lead this fight directly to the Federal Courts of the United States. I am concerned as to how the Church will stand in that moment. Is it a truly democratic process for me when I am told how to excercise another one of my civil liberties?

Either way, thank you for your post! It is so good to see, hear and read other people's opinions especially those who seek to learn. Thanks again. I hope everyone in the family is well!